he did, he was a lovely, and deeply decent man, and i'm grateful for every minute i got to spend with him. the next hour of cnn newsroom, starts now. >> had is c-- this is cnn breaking news. i'm pamela brown and you are in the cnn newsroom and we start on this sunday with breaking news. nearly 36 hours after the presidential race was called for president elect joe biden, sources closes to me tell me that the president and his key advisers are considering campaign style rallies. they want to amplify baseless claims that the election was stolen from president trump. boris, what more are you learning? >> yeah, pamela, the white house planning this messaging blitz to try to present to the american people this argument for president trump that the election was stolen from him. a claim that to this point is

unsupported by any evidence whatsoever. this is also happening as people close to the president are acknowledging privately that the lawsuits that are being filed by the trump campaign are weak and likely will not overturn the results of the election. never the less, as you noted, they are indicating that part of the planning involves a campaign style rally to try to drum up support for the idea that the election was illegitimate and was stolen. their belief is they could potentially persuade enough secretaries of state in certain battleground states to open up investigations in to the elections in their states and potentially delay the process of transition. that is one of the goals. we should point out sources have indicated that people close to the president including first lady melania trump and his son-in-law jared kushner have approached the subject with the president of accepting reality and acknowledging that he lost and conceding to the former vice president, now president elect

joe biden. despite that, there's republicans what are publically pressing the president to fight on. here's a taste. >> okay. trump has not lost. do not concede mr. president, fight hard. >> at this point, we do not know who is prevailed the in the election. the media, is desperately trying to get with everyone to, to corronate joe biden as the next president. >> this is all premature. this is a premature conversation, we have not counted the votes. there's states not called. >> we should point out that two of the voices in senator ted cruz and the governor of south dakota have been involved in speculation about potential presidential runs in 2024. also, there are a lot of republicans that have not said very much about the situation as it stands right now. one of them is the vice president. mike pence, the last we saw him,

was approximately 2:30 on wednesday morning where he shared 2 or 3 sentences, seeming to hedge on the accusations that the president himself was making. we did get the vice president's schedule for tomorrow, it turns out that he is hosting a 3:00 coronavirus task force meeting unclear if we will be able the hear from him then. >> we will keep an eye on this unfolding story. president elect joe biden is moving forward with plans for his administration. cnn is joining us now with new reporting on this or we just learned that biden is expected to deliver remarks about his plan to take on the covid-19 crisis. what more do you know. well pam, joe biden is ready to get to work when it comes to tackling the pandemic and tomorrow, thepresident elect and vice president elect kamala harris will hold a briefing from their newly formed coronavirus task force.

it will be a group and an advisory group of about a dozen scientists and experts to guide their response to the coronavirus pandemic and the former vice president now the president and elect will also deliver remarks about covid-19 and the economy. the coronavirus pandemic really shaped so much of biden's messaging over the course of the final months of his campaign. and now, it will shape the early stages of his transition period. he is making it clear that he does not want to wait until he is in the white house to start addressing this crisis that is affecting so many people across the country. now, biden has vowed that his response will be guided by scientists and experts and he is making good on that promise when he reveals this board tomorrow. among the leaders of this board are the former u.s. surgeon general, dr. murphy. there's also a former commissioner of the fda, dr. david kesler and dr. marcel a

nunez smith. they will be the people leading this dozen or so advisory task force that will be consulting biden on everything that he needs to do regarding to the coronavirus pandemic. you have seen the biden campaign relisa bl relisa blue print of what they want to put in to action. they want to make sure that people have access on ppe and when there's a vaccine, they want to ensure that it is free and available to all americans. so, biden from the get go, trying to make clear that the coronavirus pandemic will be a top priority for him not just in the transition, but when he makes it to the white house in january. pam? >> all right, we will keep an eye on the remarks from biden. thank you tore keeping us updated on that front. now, to talk about all of this, is cnn political analyst, ryan.

ryan, let's start with reporting tonight i spoke to sources who confirmed that president trump's campaign is planning a messaging blitz to fuel its argument that the election was stolen like holding campaign style rallies. pushing out the message like we are seeing from some of the president's surrogates, including his kids. you see the pr aspect of it. i mean, will this effort change anything? what do you think the end game is for this? >> you know. i don't think so. i have been talking to a lot of trump people today, and white house officials, former officials. campaign advisers, and daniel littman, politico's daniel littman and daniel degrau and i will have a story out tomorrow about some of this. one thing we found. we did not interview a single trump white house official or

outside adviser who truly believes that trump can prevail, right? it is not, the people who work in the white house, just they are sending their resumes up to the hill, and to other people they know it's over. even ifthe president doesn't. so that is one thing that i picked up today. even some of his hard core supporters in the white house don't believe any of the lawsuits have any chance of changing the results. there's too many states that will have to be overturned at this point. the second thing is, there seems to be a split between people on the campaign and people in the white house. the campaign is still, some people in the campaign are pushing this. i was told by one person just to piggyback on your excellent reporting about the rallies. i was told by one adviser that they wanted the do, some people were pushing trump to do those rallies as soon as tomorrow

night. so, it seems like that is, you know, i don't know if it's going to happen tomorrow night. seems unlikely in that short timeframe. but that seems to be what is being pushed on president trump by his, you know, hard core campaign advocates and obviously other people are pushing in the other direction saying these legal disputes are not going to go anywhere and eventually you are going to need to concede. >> right, you are seeing the warring factions. it is interesting about the rallies because my colleague sarah westwood and i had the reporting before the election, that they were planning post election rallies. they were assuming that it was going to be the case. right? and it will be interesting to see what kind of role president trump plays. because he has not really beence part of the rallies or not?

the people we have been speaking with, they don't feel they will change the outcome of the election by winning the the lawsuits. but a person i spoke to said the trump campaign has been tossed around this idea of running out the clock so they can put together a slate of electors that support trump. what are you hearing about that? do you think that strategy would work? >> i don't. i mean, that strategy has been, you know, that strategy was whispered about weeks ago before the election picked up momentum and it looked like it would be razor thin election. when biden had not won pennsylvania, or georgia, there

was a scenario where he hit 240 electoral votes. the flipping of electoral strategy, would be tempting for the trump campaign andi think the biden campaign would have to genuinely worry about that. there's a process for that. it could be done. i think now that he is in the likely to be in the, you know, somewhere in 306 electoral votes range, that is a very different thing and flipping that many electors in multiple states. one, to my surprise, even some of president trump's biggestity supporters i have seen some of them say, that is a terrible idea. that is worse than the democrats, you know, court packing plan. which a lot of republicans disagree with, and they would not go along with that. and so i think he will find resistance among the hard core supporters. especially people in the

conservative legal world. i just, i think it may be tried. it's being talked about. but it just seeps so -- >> there's a lot of things that have to align and it seems to be a long shot. but what it tells you is that they are grasping for straws at this point in the trump campaign and trying to figure out a path to win. i'm curious from folks that you have spoken to, and all of your sources. you know, on this campaign blitz to hold rallies and so forth. have you spoken to people who sort of know that he is not going to win, that they are not going to win the legal battle and they still want the push to say the election was rigged. do they understand the threat to democracy that have it. they convince millions people that joe biden was not duly elected? >> that's a good question. i have to say no. there's a real mismatch when you talk to people in trump world where it's almost just normal to talk about the president doing things that are really, you know, out of line with the history of the presidency, and

to kind of just, that is how trump is, and we have to kind of wait for him to accept that he has lost and in the meantime, he may bulldose norms.tion about t. people around him are used to that and there's a lot of shrugging and that's the wayity it is. the three questions i have with trump going forward is one. does he invite president elect biden to the white house? and does he actually attend the inauguration and i got a range o predictions on that from people around trump but i will say, the conventional wisdom seems to be leaning towards trump will not concede once he exhausts the legal options. will not invite biden and will not go to the inaugural. that could change, but that was morepeople were saying that, predicting that than the

opposite. and on the rallies. one person said that if he does it, he should do it in georgia. it's a question of whether he will go down and campaign for the two republican senate candidates. what i picked up is people trying to steer him in the direction of doing a rally. maybe you could, you know, divert his energy that way. >> hm-mm. although -- yeah, i think you are right, we will have to see how it plays out and quick on the conceding. you make a good point on that, on people thinking he will not concede, it's important to point out as well, ryan, it would be a breaking of a norm, of a tradition, and it has no legal

bearing. he does not have to concede for it to happen. it will be knot nonoteworthy fo president to not concede. >> good to see you. >> thank you very much. many people that voted for president trump cannot believe that ballots are still legally being counted. >> it's legal for them to count votes in pennsylvania two days after the election on november 3rd. >> yes. >> you are wrong. go. i don't even want to talk to you. >> still ahead, why it's so hard to watch the electoral process play out and later, this is what it looked like when president george hw bush welcomed the man who beat him for re-election in 1992. up next, while we are not likely to see the same graciousness and to see the same graciousness and humility this time around. brant. strong. one of a kind like the diamond i am. this holiday, find stylish gifts

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well the united states is on track to pass ten million coronavirus cases in just a matter of days. more than 100,000 new cases added today, just a day after the nation reported the highest number of new infections of a single day since the pandemic began. but it's not just cases. deaths and hospitalizations are also ticking up, and as of now, not a single state in the nations trending in the right direction. look at the map right here, and that shows it all. president elect joe biden is already making the virus the biggest item in his agenda and he is expected to deliver remarks following a briefing with the new covid task force tomorrow. earlier i spoke with former obama adviser valerie jared who told me why biden is uniquely qualified to handle the virus.

>> president elect biden has served for eight years as vice president, he has been through inheriting a crisis when he walked in the door with president obama. we were in the middle of an economic crisis. he has been following the science and has had advisers all along who had been forming him how we could get our arms around the pandemic and in fact, pamela, having been through the ebola crisis and h1n1, we left the administration a playbook how to deal with this. and they tossed it in the garbage, but we still have the playbook. i'm confident that he can hit y i the ground running but not with the benefit of support from president trump. >> joining me now is a cnn political commentator and epidemiology and former detroit health commissioner. thank you for coming on. a lot of stuff important to talk about. you heard valerie mention

without trump supporting the transition, it could add a layer of difficulty to early action plans. how damaging could it be to the new task force's agenda if there's not cooperation with the administration? >> there's a lot of leadership that having a functional coronavirus task force, that is led by scientists and experts, that is speaking about what needs to be done in the coming 72 days until he takes office and then, after his administration begins, it's going to be critical and i think, there's also just a morale leadership that comes from having a president elect who is willing to say, basic things like put on a mask to protect yourself and your family. essential distance to make sure that we take on. >> i know having somebody

elected that is willing to lead on the science is critical. >> one of the members named to lead the team. an obama pointy, he is fired by the trump administration is part of biden's task force. what does it say to you, can and what do they need to do considering how much it's been politicized. >> it will be a task force led by science and experts. i know the former surgeon general, he puts the science first and takes policy and political cues from there. this is not a political exercise. this is an exercise in building out an administration to take on the biggest single set of issues that we faced. the, the number of cases is rising. the number of hospitalizations is going through the roof. and the number of deaths is rising too. and then, if you look at the economic consequences of the

pandemic, we all know that we have to take on the pandemic first. and so this is going to be a group of experts who come together, bring the best analysis of the science, and lead forward on what the administration can do to take on the pandemic and it will be quite a different take from what we have seen out of the current administration, the trump administration in having a set of scientists who are certainly trustworthy people like dr. fauch and i not listening to them had and the pointing of people who are not experts who say what the president wants them to say. it's a very different exercise in having the science speak and then the transition and the future administration listen. so biden has stopped short of saying he would lock down the country. as we have seen with the pandemic. people getting the memo what can you do you should be showing the

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president elect joe biden picked up the phone to hear a familiar voice. it was george bush

congratulating him. the republican praised joe biden as a good man, writing in a statement, the american people can have confidence that the election was fundmentally fair, the integrity will be upheld and the outcome is clear. the outcome is not clear to president trump, or at least he is acting like it's not. he is continuing to cast doubt on the integrity of the election, refusing to accept that america did not choose him. so, it is no coincidence that bush's call is an exception to the party normal. biden's form is not ringing off the hook from sitting gop lawmakers. just two have congratulated him. on the side of the screen are all the names have not acknowledged a clear biden victory since crossing the flesh

hold of 270. some have said nothing. and some have made limited comments about the president's rights to pursue legal challenges and lyndsay graham have played in to the false notion of a false election. and add senator cruz on to that list. each person that you saw has stopped short of saying that joe biden is the rightful winner of a free and fair election. just leave it there. and joining me now to discuss this, and what this means is cnn political commentator and former special assistant to george w. bush, scott jennings and bicari sellers. thank you bother for staying up late it's much appreciated. there's a lot to talk about and scott i will go to you first, i want to talk about your old boss. the former president george w. bush, other former republican leaders like conla leez a rice, have come forward to

congratulate president elect biden. many current republican leaders are hedging their words and hesitating and staying silent all together. that is even as some back the president's baseless effort to contest the result. how is that acceptable? >> well, i mean, look, i think what most republicans say is that it looks like joe biden is ahead. that if the president has valid claims to joo s adjudicate, th process, and once it's valid or not, we will move forward. it's the general opinion. it's obvious that joe biden has more votes at the moment and if the trump people have evidence of any kind of thing that would change that, i assume we will know it in short order, i assume they will be in the court with evidence. if they don't have evidence, it will all fall apart rather quickly and i think you will see

the transition paul fall in to . i'm not exercised that former bush called remember for vice president biden. he is a great man and always been someone who is, has been, you know, exhibited that attitude, did not shock me at all. >> i will press you a bit on taking it to the court. the gop had challengers there during the process of going through the ballots. before the election, they could have challenged it. if there was fraud, we should have heard about it then, we should of heard about it on election day and then when it was clear that the president is going not going to win. there's allegations without evidence to back it up, there was something afoot going on. and the lawsuits they have filed so far have not made much head way, the ones they have within have been, have made such little difference in moving the needle. isn't there risk to rallying up the president's base by setting

up the false expectation or staying silent about the idea that the results can be overt n overturned? >> we >> well, i don't think they are giving suggests oxygen to the claims. certainly you are not suggesting that the court is not available to the candidates if they think they have claim. i don't know what they have right now. they say they are going to court. my presumption is if they have something, we will know about it in short order. so far they don't have much, and this will come to an end quickly. but i think it would be improper, frankly to tell a presidential campaign or any other person in america that the court system is not available to you. it's available to everyone else. but the burden is on them to bring forward evidence and we will see if they have it. i have my doubts. i think joe biden won the election. it does not mean that the courts don't exist to validate or invalidate the claims. >> absolutely. but we have been asking what is the evidence. so far we have not seen it.

we will see what they have in their back pocket allegedly. bicari, let's talk about. what is next for the president elect's transition if the president does not concede, are there legal issues if the president fails to acknowledge that he lost? >> concession is not something in the constitution when you talk about the transfer of power. once you are at 270, concession is not necessary. transferring power, the going from one administration to another is a huge task. a huge undertaking. especially in the middle of the pandemic. that is a two-fold pandemic that is causing issues on the economic front and the public health front. so, that is why joe biden is rolling it out in transition. and taking those things very seriously. i know for a fact, from speaking to people in the campaign and around the campaign, that they are focused just directly right now on making sure that on day

one of inauguration they are hitting the ground running anddoing all the things necessary regardless of what donald trump will do. i mean, i anticipate donald trump probably is going to travel the country and do rallies and all the other things while he is acting agrieved. i anticipate if he does have a concession speem speech, it's going to be about him and not anybody else. and so, those things don't matter ma matt matter. whether donald trump wants to play ball or not, preparing the next administration is the important thing. >> president elect biden talked about compromise in his speech. we know progressives want a seat at the table in the biden/harris administration. listen to a warning from a republican who backed biden, former ohio governor john kasich. >> i think joe biden is in a perfect situation. he cannot let the left try to move him way left. it won't work. so he can be who he is. which is basically a center left

democrat. and the democrats had better be careful, this business of defunding the police or, you know, the wild economic schemes that smack of, you know, the republicans called him on it. on socialism, it won't work. and they will get slaughtered in 2022 if they go in that direction. >> so, scott how does president elect biden balance the two sides if he wants s up to his promise of bipartisan ship, how does he do it? >> it's a big job, i'm amused at the republicans that backed joe biden that now presume to instruct him on his party. if you are worried about left leaning government, you would not back a left leaning candidate. that is neither here nor there. i think joe biden's speech was tonely correct. it's what america wants to hear. does it party want to hear it?

you have allies of the former vice president. you have a lot of folks on out there circulating, enemies and truth and reconciliation commissions. all kinds of crazy things. that is not the message that he delivered. i think pam, he has two issues. one is to calm down the blood thirstiness on the american left and find a way to govern the country that does not alienate the moderates that came his way in the election that had it with trump's antics. it's not an easy job. but the american people voted for divided government, and did not give either party too much power. and both parties would be smart to heed that message. >> and bicari, you had the challenge of bringing his party together. but also, they are more than 70 million americans who voted for donald trump. donald trump is not going away. he is, you know, for, from everything that we can tell, he

is going to try to stay in the spotlight. there's still an ecosystem, a right wing ecosystem out there where he can continue to get had his message out. so, what does joe biden do? how does he unite the country when you have a divided country that is so obvious with the election? what the ddoes he need to do? >> i have to chuckle for a different reason. hearing john kasich lecture democrats on what we should do and warning us how to govern. with all due respect to governor kasich, the real reason that joe biden is president of the united states is because of black and brown coalition that he put together, progressive coalition, young people who pushed him over the top. especial until the marriajor ci even across the heartland. that's first. and second, a lot of things that this president can do. that bring this country together in a bipartisan fashion.

whether or not you are talking about policy, and things such as infrastructure. we have been having an infrastructure every month for four years, it has not passed. whether or not you are talking about some of the things that you know, went forward on statewide ballots in the past week's election. such as marijuana even in deeply red states passing, or a minimum wage that passed. already a lot of things and policy issues that the president can lead on, which i expect him to do. the difference though between this president and donald trump from the top is going to be tone and ten or. i mean, he is going to cool the temperature down, especially when it comes to the rhetoric, and you know, people want to make the red he. a -- herrings and medicare for all. the democratic party voted for joe biden in the primary. and he was against all of those things and so, i just think that, that there's going to be a lot of rhetoric thrown back and forth on each side.

and joe biden is going to governor just fine. he just actually has to get the keys to the white house first. >> all right. that is, that would be key. scott jennings, bicari sellers. thank you, gentlemen. great to see you both. >> same. >> it's not just president trump baselessly claiming that the election was stolen, many of had his supporters are saying the same thing. >> you don't think there's any way that trump could have lost? >> no. >> really? >> yes. >> how do you go from almost losing 200,000 and in five hours you are down to 30,000 votes away from winning? >> so, where do the false claims begin? that is next

. well, it's not just president trump pushing baseless claims about election fraud, some of his supporters are also convinced that the election was stolen. cnn's donnie o'sullivan went to pennsylvania, the state that ultimately made joe biden the president to see how they are dealing with the news. >> trump is still your president! >> it's legal for them to count votes in pennsylvania two days after the election on november 3rd? >> yes. >> you are wrong. go. i don't even want to talk to you. >> i believe that donald trump within the election. i believe that they tried to steal the election. >> stop the steal. a movement of trump supporters that gained hundred-s of thousands of volunteerers online, in the hours after the election.

has inspired protests across the country. >> the ballots that you said you saw lying around the place or in trash cans, where are you hearing that from? >> the videos are going viral everywhere. i have seen them on tiktok, i have seen them on facebook. i have seen them on fox news. i have seen them on the local news around my area. >> i have seen too much pieces of different evidence so far that shows that at this point, i would be okay with a revote. >> really? >> yeah. absolutely. >> when you have video footage of people taking bags of ballot ones and showing that they are for donald trump and lighting them on fire. >> i helped write a pact check on cnn on that video. the election officials said that video has been going around for a few ways. they are print out ballots and they are not real ballots. >> so you use the information from the election officials. >> somebody like me tries to research it and fact check it and then i fact check and you come back and say, well, the

election officials would say that. >> but wouldn't they though? question everything, right? >> the video showed sample ballots. not real ballots. the video's assertion is false, and even thepresident's trump tweeted it to his millions followers. election officials from where the sample ballots were from said they tried to correct the online misinformation for days. >> we went to bat on election night when they told us they stopped counting. we woke up and there was avert cal spike right for biden 130,000 votes approximately, that's when i knew there was a problem. >> as my buddy steve ban on said, if you are going to lie, be believable about it. you do not have 138,000 votes coming in and 135,000 on them coming in for biden.

>> this is what i think you might have been talking about on election night. michigan, 138,000. this was from a website called decision the desk. hq, they came out and said, we messed up. there was an error in how votes came back and were reported and that's why there was a spike in the math. but, you know, the election officials in michigan then all confirmed to say yes, it was an error, they are not real ballots those ballots never kwiexisted. >> are you concerned that just as people on the left can fall for misinformation that maybe sometimes you -- >> yeah, sure, i'm very thorough with the information i look at. i have my opinions, obviously. i am not just going around and retweeting false information or things that i believe it's just -- i look at things that are suspicious. >> some people at the protest

told us that the delays in news out thelets projecting a winner contributed on to their belief that biden stole the election. >> america first or it will be america last. >> yes. how do you go from almost losing 200,000 in 5 hours you're down to 30,000 votes away from winning? >> a lot of democrats voted in the mail, they voted absentee, they voted before election day. a lot of states, the election day votes got counted first. that's why trump got an early lead. and once the other votes are getting counted, that's how biden caught up. >> where are all the trump ballots that were mailed in? why are we finding them laying around in different places? >> reporter: everybody was telling everybody not to mail it in. that's why there's more democratic votes? >> no.

>> reporter: many of the false claims alleging voter fraud spread on social media. facebook and some labeled it misinformation. >> that's wrong. that's not their place. we're one big science experiment for social media. if i'm seeking a certain viewpoint and i seem -- and they seem to see that i favor that viewpoint more, that's the viewpoint they're going to feed me. and the other side is going to get a different viewpoint. >> reporter: does that concern you as a facebook user? >> it concerns me, yes, because unfortunately, people fail to think for themselves. they feed into everything that they're seeing without questioning it. >> reporter: viral misinformation there being used in a way and an attempt to undermine the fundamentals of american democracy. and you saw on that piece, it's not just trump supporters, it's

president trump itself. as you reported, in the days and weeks ahead, as the president might continue to try and call this election into question, no matter how baselessly, it's possible and likely that he is going to be relying on some of this same viral misinformation. a huge collehallenge in the wee ahead. >> that was an eye-opening piece. meantime, president trump is refusing to concede to president-elect joe biden, now joining a list of ten presidents who lost re-election campaign. and we know many of them are deeply affected by defeat. how did they handle it? the first defeated incumbent president was adams. he left office with dignity. but the two didn't speak for 12 years until jefferson decided to write a letter to adams. it opened up a floodgate of

correspondence. and they developed a bond until they died, on the exact same day, july 4th. and the last defeated incumbent president, george bush, who lost election to bill clinton in 2002. the letter that bush left for clinton in the oval office really stands out. it reads, dear bill, when i walked into the office just now i felt the same sense of wonder and respect i felt four years ago. i know you will feel that, too. i wish you great happiness here. i never felt the loneliness some presidents have described. there will be very tough times, maybe even more difficult by criticism you may not think is fair. i'm not a very good one to give advice, but don't let the critics discourage you or push you offcourse. you will be our president when you read this note. i wish you well. i wish you family well. your success is our country's success. i'm rooting hard for you.

good luck, george. much like former rivals, adams and jefferson, bush and clinton ended up forming an unlikely friendship, examples that the traditions of americas and the transition of power is bigger than one party or grieve vance grievance and one letter, illustrating the power of grace and victory and defeat. what will be the power of president trump's example. thank you for joining me tonight. "cnn newsroom" continues with michael holmes after a quick break.

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